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GT List.
Topic Started: Apr 18 2011, 05:35 PM (1,127 Views)
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Here is part of my GT list, from Goku getting turned back into a kid, to right before Baby arrives on Earth.

MSS x15. SS2 x4. SS3 x4. Great Ape x10.


Huh?...I'm a kid again?

Son Goku: 1,000,000,000,000,000.
Oob: 1,000,000,000,000,000.

Into Space We Go!

Son Goku: 1,000,000,000,000,000.
Trunks: 300,000,000,000.

You won't beat me saiyan.

Son Goku: 1,000,000,000,000,000.
Redjic-sensei: 1,000,000,000,000,000.
Super Goku: 15,000,000,000,000,000.

We, have to get around him.

Son Goku: 1,000,000,000,000,000.
Super Goku: 15,000,000,000,000,000.
Trunks: 300,000,000,000.
Super Trunks: 4,500,000,000,000.
Mutchi: 100,000,000,000.

Note* Remember Mutchi wasn't that strong, it's his whips that made him dangerous. And Base Trunks took him out too.

You took Pan...Now You're Mine!

Son Goku: 1,000,000,000,000,000.
Super Goku: 15,000,000,000,000,000.
Trunks: 300,000,000,000.
Super Trunks: 4,500,000,000,000.
Lord Luud: 250,000,000,000.

Note* Remember Luud didn't really damage Trunks or Goku in anyway, at first they didn't know how to destroy Luud, so they held back knowing Pan in in him.

How do you know my moves?

Son Goku Holding Back: 250,000,000,000,000.
Sigma Force Total: 80,000,000,000,000.
Sigma Force Cannon: 140,000,000,000,000.

I'll hold him off, you go find the Dragon Balls.

Son Goku: 1,000,000,000,000,000.
Rild: 1,000,000,000,000,000.
Super Goku: 15,000,000,000,000,000.
Super Goku 2: 60,000,000,000,000,000.
Hyper Mega Rild: 6,000,000,000,000,000.
Mega Rild: 10,000,000,000,000,000.

Note* Remember Goku never had an aura when fighting Rild, only when he had to deflect that liquid metal ball. The rest of the time Goku was just playing around, and even admitted it. So Goku wasn't even giving the fight a full effort.
Edited by Saberoph, Apr 19 2011, 05:59 AM.
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What about that little brat Pan?

I know that GT is totally haxed, but i dont think that Trunks are in the 300 billions, neither that high Luud and the Sigma Force.

You are missing the 2 henchmen of Ledgic's boss, Dr. Myu, the Para Brothers, that ****** monster from the village that kidnapps bride Trunks, etc.

GT is still a plothole to me.
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ha the Para Brothers were hilarious
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Apr 18 2011, 05:48 PM
ha the Para Brothers were hilarious
I felt shame when i saw that episode.
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I just forgot to add her.

Trunks being that high isn't unlikely, because it was never stated that he quit stated, he was just tried to be lazy about it. Trunks was the second to weakest of the Saiyans, but remember in 7 days Trunks became one of the strongest unfused Saiyans, so even if he didn't train all the time, Trunks could get there in 15 years.

And, I was adding characters who were important to the series, and those who actually fought.

GT is technically cannon to the Z Anime, AT didn't do any writing, but he did work on GT.
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I'm also having problems seeing how GT Trunks can be any stronger than Future post ROSAT Trunks.
Maybe you can clear that up for me. Possibly even how he can be 3 orders of a magnitude stronger as well.

Also how did you go about calculating Son Goku base between the end of the Buu Saga and the beginning of GT?
I have a hard time believing that Son Goku went from 3 billion training Uub, to 1 quadrillion in that time frame.
I think if you push everything down 3 orders it would make things more believable. But I'll wait for your response to understand it.
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Saberoph
Apr 18 2011, 05:54 PM
I just forgot to add her.

Trunks being that high isn't unlikely, because it was never stated that he quit stated, he was just tried to be lazy about it. Trunks was the second to weakest of the Saiyans, but remember in 7 days Trunks became one of the strongest unfused Saiyans, so even if he didn't train all the time, Trunks could get there in 15 years.

And, I was adding characters who were important to the series, and those who actually fought.

GT is technically cannon to the Z Anime, AT didn't do any writing, but he did work on GT.
Its never stated that he continued training though, we all see him and Goten working and hanging around with girls.

The ones i mentioned had little fighting, but yes, they were not important, only Dr. Myu can be considered.

This is a millenary discussion, i have problems towards GT, i dislike much of it.
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Well, Chibi Trunks had Vegeta around from the beginning and he could train with him all those years. Future Trunks didn't have that kind of a chance.

Also, in the Boo arc Goten and Trunks had more weight on them than anyone else in the previous years. Boo was SS3 tier and above, for Gotenks to be as powerful as he was, Goten and Trunks would have to be at least equal or stronger than Boo arc Base Goku while in Base.

As for my pl's, Goku says Rild is stronger than Boo, and that's the first form we see him, then Rild gets even stronger twice later on, Goku even says Rild has the strongest ki he's ever felt. And GT follows the Anime, and Anime Z Goku is haxed as it is, so going by the Anime Chibi Boo>Ultimate Boo(Gohan Boo). So, for Goku to be that powerful makes sense to the GT hax.

@Neo. Trunks says he says maybe he hasn't trained hard enough when fighting Lord Ludd, in the Japanese script.
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Oh I edited my post and added a question. I did that while you were typing. Sorry.
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It's kool, I noticed, edited it.
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Apr 18 2011, 05:55 PM
I'm also having problems seeing how GT Trunks can be any stronger than Future post ROSAT Trunks.
Maybe you can clear that up for me. Possibly even how he can be 3 orders of a magnitude stronger as well.

Also how did you go about calculating Son Goku base between the end of the Buu Saga and the beginning of GT?
I have a hard time believing that Son Goku went from 3 billion training Uub, to 1 quadrillion in that time frame.
I think if you push everything down 3 orders it would make things more believable. But I'll wait for your response to understand it.
IMo opinion he would be stronger that post rosat trunks becasue of the natural order of the way things happened. Trunks returning from killing baby cell should be stronger than gt trunks at least until they are grown, but gt trunks has all the info and training right at his fingertips, all the half saiyans have hidden powers, for this reason i think there is a pecking order, those half breeds are all born really strong.

Gohan
alternate trunks
baby/gt trunks
goten
pan- pan got the super saiyan training bulla did not
bulla-

goku and vegeta jr both had the hidden power in their genes and so were haxically able to transform.
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Saiyan power wise it's like this.

Goku=Vegeta>Gohan>Pan>Trunks>Goten>Bulla.

In the Japanese script, we know Pan is stronger than Goten and Trunks, and Baby admits to Trunks being stronger than Goten, and a gap between Goku and Vegeta is never stated. But Baby MSS Goten is still weaker than Base Gohan. But, we know Base Gohan is weaker than Base Rild.
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Yes he did, I meant to put that in. I even knew he did too. Fixed now.

Edit: I used my MSS Vegetto for Goku's Base, it makes sense considering Anime SS3 Goku>Ultimate Gohan>SS3 Gotenks.
Edited by Saberoph, Apr 19 2011, 06:17 AM.
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Just as maybe a suggestion, but wouldn't it be easier to say like, for example, 40 billion instead of 40,000,000,000?
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